Actually, the REALLY scary bit?

That Sohkar is supposedly a FRIGGEN Air Traffic Controller.
I will express myself in Chinese.

Ho Lee Fuk.

Seriously, I think CCP, having his 'real life' information - should report Sohkar to the proper authorities.

Somebody this obviously unstable and insane should NOT be directing aircraft in ANY capacity.

Erotica 1 actually did us a great service by exposing a clear and present risk to public safety.

Would YOU feel comfortable landing at a busy airport staffed by someone like Sohkar?

[then stop pretending that erotica is the biggest monster in the story when he did very little in comparison.

Absolutely despicable and clear case of cyber-bullying.

CNN works in departments. Killing and blood is for front page news. But their tech department right now is looking for some juicy action - its all boring usual tech news atm.

I will be honest, chances CNN will pick this up are slim to none, but I sent the links and a TL:DR to about 20 news sites now.

With any luck, this will snowball.

You should be the first against the wall, for sharing that abomination of cancer.
YOU THINK THIS IS A GAME?

The hole getting people on comms to record what is going to happens is creepy as ****!, scams are scams but this i something different... i can understand someone who likes to steal and cheat, but this is more about the personal aspect then the isk, and that is what makes is so god damn creepy.

There is nothing illegal about his ingame activities.
There is a great deal illegal about him extending those activities to outside of the game, on false premise.
And a great deal relating to that, that CCP should imo take very seriously.

In EVE, fine.
Out of EVE, Id take the case if I could.

@Chaka: This isnt about the items. Those he has already legitimately aquired, before the out of game illegitimacy begins.

The clerk at the grocery store gave me a mean look today. I feel humiliated and raped as other customers saw the clerk gave me the negative look. Will you help me win this case?

None of that **** matters. What does matter is this:

"CCP may take any action it deems appropriate regarding any User Content, if CCP believes, in its sole discretion, that such User Content violates the EULA or may expose CCP, its licensors and/or its suppliers to liability, damage CCP's relationship with any of its suppliers, licensors, ISPs or other users of EVE, harm anyone or harm CCP's reputation or goodwill."

I wouldn't say that, and given that this is not cyber bullying, if CNN calls it such, then it's just bad journalism.

But what else would we expect from CNN these days?

Incorrect. If no EULA violations can be found that happen 'in game' then CCP opens themselves to litigation.

In other words if they cut off a scammer just because he scams within the confines of the EULA just because they have a beef with them then he can legally SUE them.

No, I am not saying he did. Someone else. Doesn't matter.

I agree. That too will be spun as how bad videogames are. You don't get it, do you? If this hit the wrong news we can not win.

That's a legit counter point. Are you referring to mittanigate or the CFC turning null in to a blue fest? As far as mittanigate I think he was very apologetic about the whole thing. The Mittani also has the added bonus of being a pretty nice and helpful person other than that one incident.

I would also add that the Mittani has social skills and has not been entirely bad for the game.

As far as the blue doughnut, that wouldn't be anywhere near bannable but I do know rules changes are being proposed so null could be broken up somehow.

Personally I wouldn't compare Mittens to this psychopath. Mit said some crappy things while drunk behind somebodies back, so have I. This Erotica person consciously toyed with someones emotions and inflicted pain for his own amusement.

You'll have to explain that further, cause you're not making sense to me.

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Like I stated previously. CCP has to remain neutral on the matter. Thank god they are grey in regards to democracy and not black and white.

You'll have to explain that further, cause you're not making sense to me.

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I say it's time we make a stand and unsub en masse! Unsub from this thread I mean, I woke up to 1300+ notifications. That's not healty behavior ppl! Go do something useful with your time like ganking miners ffs.

Well, Im flying around high sec, asking people to say NO to cyber-bullying and online predators.

Thank god for new interceptors.

Half of empire - done.

In all honestly, if it were my scam, I would have pulled the plug on it when it was obvious the participant was getting emotionally distressed with something like "look, I'm sorry, you are not going to continue in this Bonus Round and you're not getting your stuff back."

I would beg to differ if the 'Content Creator' is repeatedly causing 'one unknown player' to quit, bad reviews from that one player can become bad reviews from many players, not to mention the bad press and the subscribers that will not try EVE based on that press. The true number of lost revenue is subjective, but evident nonetheless. As a company owner is (Should be) concerned about every customer not just the loud ones.

While i normally would agree, i think the repeated requests for songs can be considered bullying.

At someone point during the recording the victim starts to realize that he has been scammed, and that he so not going to get any prize. It's pretty clear the E1 and the people helping him conduct the interview, also realize that he know what is going on. He kept doing what he is told in hopes that they might give him back his assets, and they keep making more and more requests, seeing how fare they can push him.

The fact that they have all his assets and just want to push him until he overreacts, might just make this some form of bullying. At the core bullying is about domination, and that is exactly what we are seeing. They are in a position of power, and they use it to produce recordings which only serve to humiliate the victim.

I know E1 don't think his behavior is creepy, but when it stopped being about scams and space pixels and turned into a game of degrading people on a personal level, then it stopped being eve... and it stopped being fun.

There are various degrees of unethical behaviour.

Driving over a frog isn't the same as driving over a man.

The CSM thing is just for attention and to promote his scams. This guy is never going to release his RL name to this community where he can be tracked down and have his personal life tied to his relatively anonymous online behavior.

You know..... people in my in-game profession get accused of "cyber bullying" all the time.

If Erotica 1 gets banned for what he does, that opens the door to people petitioning to have PvP'ers banned for hunting down ratters, haulers, and mission runners. If that happens, EVE will become very boring, and a lot of the players who are actually going to stick around for a long time, will quit.

The playerbase might be overwhelmingly carebear.... but a lot of those players are only going to stay for a few months. It's the pirates and other PvP-focused people who are still going to be here, year after year.
When you're running a business, you don't alienate your most loyal customers. That's suicide for any service provider or product manufacturer.

Has CCP made a comment on this issue since the first one telling us all to be polite to each other? 158 pages and it's still going strong.

It does seem like the use of this 'bonus room' idea is premeditated in that I think others have said the conversation was moved from EVE voice to a TS channel. So Erotica 1 probably knew beforehand that there could be some comeback on him if he conducted his actions through EVE voice.

I also don't understand why Erotica 1 didn't realise it had gone too far once the victims wife intervened and started asking Erotica 1 what was happening. Would he like this to happen to one of his family members, wife or children?

A lot of replies are focusing on the anger of the victim directed at Erotica 1 on the sound recording and on possibly violent suggestions towards Erotica 1 within replies to this post. People will react in different ways to being bullied and some will react aggressively and/or with violence. It's completely understandable if you mess with people to expect a reaction. Play with fire and you will get burned.

Does anyone even use Eve Voice? I don't know anyone that does.

We as EVE community must say NO to the likes of E1 and Co.

We dont tolerate pedophiles, rapists, terrorists, drug dealers, online predators in our communities.
We must not tolerate them and their likes here.

E1 and Co must go.

Well one thing is for sure, due to the vile heresies against HTFU and rampant pansification on display here, I am taking the unprecedented step of adding a +5 to our Kill-It-Forward queue.

The inquisitors of HTFU will slaughter no less than five innocent carebears in hisec in the coming days, and let them know it is because of heretics like Ripard and Luminous Spirit that they are suffering their losses.

Your heresies, our hands, their blood, your conscience,

Insha'Allah.

F

I really can't take a side here because I couldn't care less about what other players with who I don't have any contact with do. Neither Erotica 1 or the other guy belong to a group of players that I make in-game or out of the game contacts with, but the same applies to tens of thousands of other players just the same.

I am only worried about media backfire which tends to happen after a threadnought like this.

The only thing that is clear is that CCP now, after this much exposure, has to act in some way ... any way. By providing an official statement that they have investigated the issue, list the rules that are applicable to situations like this and , for example, not ban any of the parties is totally acceptable to me. But the official statement is needed just to leave the impression that CCP as a company knows and cares about what is going on in and around their game.

I never said they were the same thing.
I'm making an analogy to harm here.

So tormenting someone for hours on the promise of giving them their stuff back is acceptable to you?

I Just had to do a google search on enhanced interrogation techniques cause I had no idea what those could be. There actually was a wikipedia arcticle by that name. Here's a quote:

Damn looks like you must have been right. All of that stuff was clearly happening on that recording.

Completely false. It's about ISK only.

if Erotica 1 gets banned
****. this. game.

You're gonna tell me that an idiot who willfully stays that long singing songs and humiliating himself deserves any kind of sympathy, so now we're gonna protect idiots? oh how sad..

and holy **** seriously 180 pages??????

There's quite the difference between the actions and words of an angry man, and the purposeful provocation and humiliation inflicted by E1.

Anger brings out the worst of us.
You can expect an angry (or a drunk) man to act as a stupid and vile person.

What's disgusting is E1's lucidity, while doing all of this.

Don't try to blame the victim.

Almost 200 pages of people arguing whether psychologically tormenting someone is right or wrong???

What a joke society has become

Since then I've lost my taste for witch hunts, they usually end up being counterproductive.

+1

But to some people, "i don't like this" equals "there should be a law against this". It's a very selfish point of view.

Dear Erotica,

Long time no see o/. Since I first joined EVE, you've been in the corner of my eye. You put Erotica1 in a noob HS Aussie corp that took me in and tried to teach me a little about EVE (I believe I was 1-2 months along? tops?). For their trouble, you spied out their POS's, had beancounter (alt) Wardec them, and blew up my Cormorant. But, you also took me aside, explained that my fitting was bad and how to improve it, and kicked me ISK to help me along. This was an important lesson in the harshness I had heard about EVE, but also that - hey! maybe even the "baddies" are still respectful, well-meaning members of the EVE community, right? Right? Well sometimes yes, but...

Well, after that you still had me in private convo, so you bragged about your wallet. You flashed me a gif of the total. I asked how you managed to acquire so much. Then you start flashing me images of conversations you'd trolled out of ISK doubling schemes. Tons and tons of them. You seemed to drag these convo's out forever. I remember one I was reading, thinking at the time "Criminy... he's not preying on this guy's greed; he's getting off on this guy's loneliness and despair".

Since then, I've always kept your activities in the corner of my eye. Kind of the same way a person might keep an eye on the old neighbor that always seems to stare way too long out his bay window at the local children playing in the street. I heard about the mayo incident, the C&P threads you and your alts would troll until they were locked, the 'pod yourself to alpha clone' incident, the murmurs and rumors that you were behind scam websites like EVE-Bazaar.com, and countless other stories like these. I've seen the CODE nonsense you band about. Your CSM 'attempts'. I even saw your hissy fit when CCP restored that one guy's SP. I thought you quit the game at that point... guess that was too much to hope.

After that first encounter, you offered to take me in and teach me the ropes. I politely declined and went on my way. Why didn't I take you up on that offer? Because of those convo's you showed me. There's scamming... and then there's what you do. It's cruel. It's creepy.

Parting an idiot from his ISK? By all means - go nuts people. But that's not what you're doing. Sure, you do scam them, but as a means to an end. It's not about the scam. You want to humiliate them. Poke them. Toy with them. Make them cry.

That's not gameplay, and this behavior sure as hell has no place being 'acceptable' in my sandbox. If I'm not being clear enough, I'm saying that I agree you and your alt accounts need a swift and permanent ban.

If anyone doesn't agree with it, you are welcome to follow him out the airlock.

/ Coffee

As we say on the internet - pics or it never happened.

Right would this angry man known as Sohkar have any affiliations with the recent Malaysian jet that went missing? Was he angry then? Does he get angry often?

Leaving will be to turn your back on all that time and effort you've spent working for what you have.

Talk about hypocrisy. Who are you to judge why or how someone plays inside the game. Outside the game we are now talking about morality. Some people cant recognize when they are outside the game. Ganking inside the game imo is really cool and I loved the New Order for it. I thought it was hilarious to see freighters explode. Outside the game torturing a human being just for the lulz. Sick.

I'm curious. Why is everyone (well a good percentage, anyway) using a guys racial slurs and death threats made after the fact to negate everything that led up to it?

Strange way to justify what a freakin' sick douche does for jollies.

Mr Epeen

Hours of humiliation is clearly abuse.

Abuse is clearly against the terms of service.

Violation of terms of service is legitimate grounds for banning.

Where is the confusion?

Technically, the EULA gives CCP the freedom to ban pretty much whomever they please for "inappropriate conduct". If you read it carefully it DOES state the following....

"CCP may establish Rules of Conduct (discussed below) for players accessing the System and may, but is not obligated to, monitor and take action regarding inappropriate conduct."

... And while it DOES list specific behavior-related banable offences, it doesn't state that these are the ONLY banable offences. They absolutely have the right per EULA, and - quite frankly - as a business. And no court of law would revolt against a ban in this instance. While the offense in question didn't happen "in" EVE, it 100% revolved around EVE and even involved transfer/APIs "in-game" DURING the bonus around. Any "reasonable" person would suggest that E1 attempted to explicitly avoid EULA knowing that the bonus round, as managed here, was a violation of terms and conditions. I think he even stated this explicitly.

This is not a EULA issue, it's an ethics issue.

This is emotional rapists trying to justify what they do by staging a show that, no, victims are not really hurt at all.

E1 thinks its OK to inflict emotional damage on handicapped people. "its just a bit of fun, no real harm done, nobody dies"

Neo-**** guys down the road in a seedy bar think its OK to **** a girl too "its just a bit of fun, no real harm done, nobody dies"

E1 & Co. just made a cardinal mistake of pissing on the united states service men and women.

God knows i disagree with some things US gov't does, but I never disrespect and belittle the brave men and women who are sent to do dangerous jobs overseas.

For your little sadist circle to laugh about some very serious issues facing the service men and women is not cool. Especially since EVE Online is where a large number of them choose to spend their free time.

But keep digging.

Well, lets just wait around till Erotica1 and associates do this to a 13yr old then, shall we?